There
are more things that unite the humans than separate …
Prof
T. K. John SJ
There are more things
that unite the humans than separate, tells Prof T. K. John SJ reflecting on his
association with Pakistan India Peoples’ Forum for Peace and Democracy to Victor Edwin SJ.
Edwin:
Tell us about Pakistan – India People’s
Forum for Peace and Democracy?
T.K.
John:
The Forum is a typical sub-continental peace initiative. The Forum is
addressing some of the issues that block our good neighbourly relationship with
Pakistan, keeping always in our mind that we all were one country one people
years ago. Untruth divided us and still keeps us snarling at each other as
wolves do at potential prey. Can we engage in civilizing exercise and keep
moving in a direction that will lead us all to justice truth and peace -- that
is the question.
“Defy the Divide –
Unite for Peace’, “Meeting across Borders, Talking beyond Differences, Working
to deepen Relationships, Peace building on shared Concerns, Reaching out
against all Odds, Dreaming together of a Common Future,’ ‘Surely We Can Talk Again’ – have been among the
slogans raised on the occasion of the eight joint conventions of a very
interesting peace initiative called Pakistan-India People’s Forum for Peace and
Democracy. These will already tell us about the nature goals and objectives of
the Forum. The movement was born in 1994.
To get to the goals and
objective of the Forum we have to dig deep into the history of a development
that generates hatred of each other. It is called communal divide on grounds of
religion. Several layers of encrusted divisive ideology of hatred have to be
peeled off to come to discover the truth which should eventually rebind a
divided people that we were once.
The first layer was
laid when some Muslim scholars led by Shah Wali Ulla began to voice the view that we in India are
two different communities and cultures, namely, Hindus and Muslims. From the
Hindu side Savarkar responded by singing the same song: ours is a Hind country
and we must restore it to its original status. The second was the
much-heightened tension at the political level between Congress and Muslim
League regarding Partition of the Motherland on the basis of religion. It
happened, unfortunately. The third was laid when the dry land in the north-west
India was soaked with blood of the cris-crossing divided peoples that killed
each other in thousands. The fourth we have in the ‘victory-defeat’ salt that
is periodically being rubbed into the wounded memory of Pakistanis after two
wars. And the ever-hot Kashmir issue stood in between, all along. The situation
in the subcontinent was deteriorating. The economic, foreign, military and
other policies of the two nations were dictated by the divide policy. Finances
required to eliminate the abject poverty, stark illiteracy, the scarce health
and medical care systems, impassable rural transport, drinking water and
electricity for far of rural population etc,--- all basic needs of the two
nascent democracies, were diverted to arms build up, military research, nuclear
weapons development and such unproductive anti-civilizational projects. Can
this process be halted and sanity restored, asked many in both the
countries.
It was then that Mr.Nirmal Mukerjee a
former cabinet secretary and governor of Punjab and about ten scholars and
human rights activists from India and a dozen similar men and women from
Pakistan, led by Dr.Mubashir Hassan, a member of Mr. Bhutto’s cabinet, met in
Lahore and shared their concerns. In 1994 they met again and decided on a
larger convention of people of similar concerns from both sides. Accordingly a
major convention was held in New Delhi February 24-25, 1995.
The Plenum at that first joint
convention, attended by a hundred people from India and Pakistan, adopted a
consensus document known as the Delhi Declaration. War, Demilitarization, Peace
and Democracy in both the countries were the main themes of the statement with
appeals to both governments and to the people that elect their leaders. Resort
to war to resolve dispute should be avoided, both countries should reduce
military build up, and a democratic solution to Kashmir dispute should be aimed
at. This was the beginning of the great peace movement or people across
borders. Just peace can be availed if sanity is allowed to have its way.
Edwin:
What are the issues that find a prominent
place in PIPFPD discussions and deliberations?
T.K.
John:
The objective of founding the Forum was civilizational in intent. People to people exchange can create
friendship and confidence, give priority in governance to the basic needs of
the people, and maintain peace needed for constructive programmes at the
national and regional level, all of which are blocked by constantly raked sense
of hostility, and war hysteria. Military and industrial hawks, both at the
national and international level, always prefer tension between countries, for
their good.
Religious Intolerance in both the
countries, need for gradual demilitarization and de-nuclearization, Governance
that respects the will of the peoples, gender justice, and democratic process
in Kashmir, Globalization and impacts nascent democracies, are among the themes
discussed. For at the level of culture and religious harmony the Calcutta
Declaration “Calls upon the educationalists and the people in general to work
towards ways of inculcating values of cooperation, tolerance, harmony, through
all possible means, particularly curricula and prescribed textbooks, print and
visual media, undertake investigations of incidents of communal violence to
bring the findings to the notice of the people, organize exchanges of children
and teachers, and to be aware of and monitor possible misuse of places of
worship and religious educational institutions for the promotion of preaching
and promotion of hatred and intolerance”
There were eight joint conventions, held
in New Delhi (twice), Lahore Karachi, Calcutta, Rawalpindi, Bangalore and
Allahabad. Besides these, check on communal propaganda, promotion of trade and
commerce across border, welcoming writers artists and agents of culture in each
country –were among the objectives.
Friendly
exchange at people to people level was considered a very helpful means to the
goal realization. Relaxation of visa rules will facilitate this, and be of
great help for relations across the border to meet with each other,
Edwin:
Tell us about your involvement in PIPFPD
?
T.K.
John:
I was associated with the movement fortunately right from the beginning. It was
a golden opportunity to meet people of all sections of the people from both the
countries. Since it was intended to be a people-to-people dialogue, teachers,
artists, peasants, trade union leaders, professors, politicians, human rights
activists, lawyers, and traders, --all met and interacted. The convention normally lasted two-three days
with well-chosen cultural programmes. I served as Chair Person of the Delhi
Chapter that had hosted the 7th Joint Convention (Feb 25-27, 2005).
It was a very good experience to work with people committed to the goal above.
Edwin:
Kindly explain for us what happens during
a Convention and how does it enhance friendship between India and Pakistan?
T.K.
John:
Much happens during a convention all of which make you feel: after all we have
been one people and we re-live it. For example the Inaugural session. Right at
the commencement of the Inaugural session we see spontaneous outbursts of
revival and jovial scenes. We see a
couple of people walk to the dais, start dancing, a few more join and
for the next forty-five minutes we find many from the audience come and joining hands and dancing, singing, clapping
of hands and embracing each other. Cameras capture these momentous scenes to be
taken back to the place from which they hail and share with them the scene.
Informal and spontaneous expressions like this really set the tone.
Then there is the address by the two
co-chair persons, announcing of the dynamics of the days’ programmers etc.
There is the key-note address on the second day, some one is chosen ahead to
deliver it. A current issue is often taken for the theme. Reports of the two
chapters are presented and discussed. Of course the reading and discussing the
final consensus document known as Declaration is on the last day.
I have noticed that in group sessions as
well as in general sessions there is a healthy mature and documented critiquing
of the trends against peace and democracy in the respective countries. For
instance, speakers from Pakistan will present a realistic picture of the issue
in Pakistan. There is also the freedom to make observations in the other
country too. This is welcomed and not resented. There is no fear of exposing
one’s own country to outsiders. The prevailing sentiment is that ‘we should
endeavour together’, that truth should make us free and that freedom of
thinking and expression is the foundation for any democracy.
Edwin:
How youth are involved in PIPFPD?
T.K.
John:
Youth involvement is considerable. In all the conventions it was the young
people that gave extremely well-organized programmes—dramatic or other,
depicting the issues.
For both Delhi conventions, that of 1994
and that of 2005 students of Vidyajyoti took part and made their contribution.
Students of the colleges of Delhi too did support and collaborate. Youth from
Pakistan come in good number and will have good programmes presented
A separate youth chapter was considered
and even constituted. It has to grow and play distinct role in the movement.
Edwin:
How do official machinery both in India
and Pakistan view the activities of PIPFPD?
T.K.
John:
Two principles I invoke to answer that question. One: Abraham Lincoln said
democracy is the government of the people by the people and for the people.
Therefore informed bureaucrats and politicians that man the governments in both
the countries do co-operate and offer us support. Besides, the collective voice of both the
countries being made available to the ruling block is a golden opportunity to
the rulers. They come to know what the people that elected them think and feel.
Taking notice of the collective voice is welcome.
On the other hand there are also some
who may forget that they were sent up to govern by the people. They may show
less collaboration.
The Forum believes that creating public
opinion is a responsible service of the civil society in a democratic country.
Indeed, the impact of such public statements is being recognized by the ruling
block in both the countries. On the occasion of the joint convention in
Bangalore, April 6-8 2000, the Sate government, headed by honorable
Sri.S.M.Krishna, currently the foreign minister, hosted a session and a dinner.
Prior to that during the Calcutta Joint Convention December 28-31 1996 the late
Mr. Jyoti Bosu then chief minister of Bengal invited the delegates for a
special session and a dinner in the Assembly garden premises. These are
important indicators of the attention the State gives to civil society
articulations of the concerns of the country.
Edwin: Are Jesuits sufficiently involved in Civil Society activism?
T.K
.John: The question needs to be attended to in a wider
perspective. For that the following questions need to be raised.
For instance, is the Christian community
involved in civil society initiatives? To what extent Christian community is
involved in the political processes of the country? To what extent the
Christian community is involved in the many people’s movements of the country?
What is the nature of the civic consciousness of the Christian community? How
far advocacy of human rights, justice and freedom, highlighted by the U. N.
Declaration, is taken seriously and systematically by the Christian community?
The answers to most of these questions
may not be quantitatively high. For a religious programme of the diocese if
appeal is made, attendance will be normally good. For funerals and other
occasions response is quite good. Jubilee celebrations, of individuals or
institutions also response from the community is good.
But in general Christian presence in the
civil society affairs is quite dismal. For instance Delhi is a place where
there is no scarcity of human rights, people’s movements, and other
demonstrations seeking justice rights and freedom, campaigns, candle-light
processions, fasts, etc take place. Displaced Adivasis come and register their
protests. Gas affected people of Bhopal come, year after year, sometimes
walking on foot all the way from Bhopal and make their pleas voiced in the
capital. There have been cases of women, especially Dalit women,
raped/humiliated in public and a few women’s organization take up their cause
and come to Delhi. There was the case of a nun who was raped in Odissa and
secular women’s groups organized demonstration in Delhi. People from North East
do come to Delhi protesting against demolition of villages, killings by
security forces, and some come to Delhi to have their grievances voiced in the
national capital. The traumatized people of Kashmir come and demonstrate in
many ways.
But the Christian presence and
contribution to most civil society initiatives or people’s movements is quite
limited, is rather minimum. You find a few here and there walking with them.
We Jesuits are largely in the
institutions. Besides democratic culture is not our forte. For that matter
Jesuit interest in civil society imitative also is not high. In internal
exchanges like homilies, retreats, theology classes and exegesis exercises
etc.’ Kingdom of God’ appears vigorously as a theme and as a task. But the gap
between the internal exchanges and commitments and the open civil society some
times appears as unbridgeable as the hiatus between Lazarus in Abraham’s bosom
and the rich man (Lk16:26)!
It is gratifying to note after being
part of it for the past nearly two decades that genuine democratic culture,
non-violence, people’s participation, demilitarization to save money for
education of the backward people, etc are the concerns of the Forum.
All these raise a
puzzle. Muslims and Christians belong to Abraham’s heritage, yet they seem to
stand apart. Mulims Christians and Hindus belong to Asiatic family yet they
stand apart. We have to create a
platform where we can sit together dispassionately and look at our common
heritage own them and plan a new future. There is plenty of goodwill, openness
and freedom generated in the PIPFPD sharing. It can be widened to look
beyond. If people of two supposedly ‘
hostile’ countries can truthfully and objectively as well as honestly talk
about our common problems and dream of a different future, the exercise can be
repeated at other levels. ‘Aggrieved’ Hindus and Christians can come together,
‘aggrieved’ .Islamic and Christian world can come together. There are more things that unite the humans
than separate.